Missing my Son or Daughter

For all of us that are suffering the loss a son or daughter.

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  • Dolly

    as time goes by nobody asks anymore... that's ok in most ways but then I need to talk about Brandon... and when I do some if not most people seem uncomfortable as if I shouldn't be thinking and talking about him anymore now that it's going on two years... TWO YEARS... as if I will EVER forget him and stop talking and thinking about him... I guess they think I'm just hanging on to memories that I should pack away somewhere now time has passed... but the memories of him bring him a little closer... and of course I know most people think I'm a total maniac for believing in any 'signs' I might see or hear or sense on another level... its so lonely out there in that world... in here its kinder and gentler as we share... and grieve... the clock is ticking towards Brandon's 24th birthday....

  • Dolly

    WINTER NEEDS TO GO AWAY NOW... what a nightmare February has been.... I WANT THIS HIDEOUS WEATHER GONE !!!

  • Jill E

    Dolly I look for signs everywhere, everyday...thank you for helping me believe that there are signs from my baby...
  • Jill E

    I now "label" alcohol as an extremely deadly drug...one that can take even the young, not just the old man leaning on the bar with drink in hand everyday and stumbling home and later to be taken by this legal drug. It can take a young 33 year old man with everything going for him. Where no one knew (supposedly even his own wife)he had any problem until it was too late. I just don't understand. I never had a chance to try and help him...even a chance...alcohol as deadly as any drug. I love you my Joshie and I miss you so. Please let me know you are ok and that someday I can hug you and hear you say "I love you Mommas".
  • Dolly

    My cousin died as a result of alcohol too.. he had tried so hard to quit drinking... his job put him in situations where there was social drinking that he couldn't seem to get out of doing as part of what he thought was expected of him... he crashed and was killed on his way home... either from the alcohol alone or because it caused him to go to sleep at the wheel.... it was a tragedy for his family for sure.. and he was such a friendly person, and so funny.... and it was impossible to tell when he had been drinking or not I think.... he 'handled' it well if such a thing is even possible.... alcohol is a terrible drug if you can't control it.... as bad as any drug I think.. I mean it can destroy you just as badly as most of the problem drugs today...

  • Jill E

    Josh never admitted he had a problem at least as far as I know. I don't know and I probably will never know. Alcohol is like any drug, you say if you can't control it, then it is like saying that other hard drugs you could use as long as you can con control you use of them...where is the line between controlling your use and when you can't control it...when do you lose control, how do you know when you have crossed the line where it is for"pleasure" or addition. My son died because he was in the end stages of alcoholism, liver and kidney failure, the weeks before he was working at his job, then he was gone.
  • Jill E

    I am soot if I mixed up my words but my whole gist is that there is no line between controlling your use to when it controls you. There is no magic number or sign
  • Dolly

    I know Jill...

  • Jesse's Mom

    I can only say that I have always found Zell to be personally kind and well meaning. There were times when I interacted with her and Bluebird and also Jo and have some great, very healing conversations. By interacting with others, I was able to read an absolutely stunning ADC, that was the most extraordinary one I have come across. I have found that when death hits close, that there are some incredible encounters across the veil and spiritual experiences that can follow bring some measure comfort to all. However, Loss just sucks. Six months before my son died, my cousin's son, also named Jesse, died at age 22. I brought my son there to attend that funeral. In October my son died. Since, my mom has had 4 siblings die in the last year so it has been tough there. She is now the oldest. Death sucks, grief sucks. As we were preparing to bury my one uncle (who was the grandfather of my cousin's son who died before mine), my sister's father-in-law passed the day I came down to support my mom, so then we dealt with two funerals at once. Then that same weekend, my father's friend (my age) who I was just introduced to had his daughter die on Mother's Day( that weekend last year). My father attended the 20 year old girls funeral on the same day my older sister, Julie, passed in 2001. This has all happened in a brief 2.5 year span... Loss just sucks no matter what. It just does.

  • Jill E

    Laurie- my heart goes out to you...Peace
  • Jill E

    Thank you Dolly for understanding my rant/lecture. I love you
  • Jesse's Mom

    Thanks Jill...

    And Yesterday I found out that a very good friend who was one of th few that supported me during this time with Jesse is most likely terminal with stomach cancer. She is only slightly older than me. Yeah, Loss just sucks...no matter what.

  • Maureen

    Loss does suck! Especially the loss of my child. I've never in my life dealt with something like this. It makes me so angry at times. I've never felt so angry at everything and everyone. This has changed me.

    Jill, I used to be married to an alcoholic. I was in counselling due to a tragic death involving a friend who had been drinking too much. One thing my counsellor told me about alcohol that stuck with me, and it would be the same for any drug I suppose. He told me that the difference between someone who drinks and an alcoholic is the problems that is caused by the alcohol. If drinking is causing you problems, whether it be with your work, relationships, health....whatever,and you continue to drink....then chances are, you are addicted to alcohol....otherwise you would stop drinking. You're right though.....there's no magic number or line that if you go over...that means you're an alcoholic. Everyone is different, and alcohol affects everyone differently.
  • Jill E

    I don't know if my son realized it was causing him problems??? I can't imagine and /or don't understand but his life was going so well at least it looked that way...
  • Jill E

    Haven't done it fro years-biting my nails and cuticles until they hurt, can't sleep for more than 2 hour stretches, hyper-sensitive to everything/every situation, can't stop eating junk food(anything with sugar in it), look like I have aged 10 years, haven't put on any type of makeup on whatsoever-don't care, look and feel like crap.
  • Maureen

    Me too Jill! I cannot sleep. I will go days without sleeping. I have aged 10 years for sure and have gained around 30 lbs in the last 3 months!
  • Maureen

    I promise you that he knew it was causing him problems. He was just really good at hiding it. You say or hint that you find it hard to believe your daughter-in-law didn't notice anything. I don't know if she did or didn't but when I say problems, it can be anything...financial even. She likely would have known something but maybe didn't relate it to his drinking or to alcoholism.
  • Maureen

    My son went through great lengths to hide things from me. My spouse tells me that sons do things to protect their mothers. They don't want us to worry.
  • AP

    Figuring out this site. This is the first time I'm doing this. It is probably good for me because how many times can my friends and family listen to the same thing - "I WANT MY DAUGHTER!" It will be 8 months on the 18th. I'm only 40 years old. If I live until I am 90, I'll spend most of my life without the most magnificent girl I ever met, my beautiful daughter, the love of my life.
  • Jill E

    AP-I am so very sorry for your lose. I lost my son a little over two months ago. I haven't been on this site too long and it can be quite confusing. Discussions, comments, blogs and chats, I am just try to figure out everyday and sometimes I can't get where I want to go. Oh yeah and there is the mobile view and desktop. The important thing is that we are hear to listen. You can talk about anything you want. I have done a quite a bit of rambling mostly but I am so happy that I found this site. We all share the absolutely the worst thing a parent can go through. We will listen. Hugs and Peace
  • AP

    Jill - Thank you for responding to my comment, I appreciate you reaching out and making a connection. I too am here for you. I read about your son, and of course, I have no words. I know the feeling of one minute "life is beautiful" and the next minute it is "a nightmare," with no escape because I am awake, it is real. Though our children's passing will never make sense, I am constantly aware that my daughter is not here and that death is final in this world, but I do have faith that I WILL see her again.
  • Teresa D.

    AP, we are all here to support you, listen to you and you can repeat yourself as much as you need to.  HUGS!

  • Jill E

    AP-I hold on to the hope that I will see him again. I pray I will get to see him again, it's what keeps me going, that and my youngest son. Just a few short months ago our worlds seemed "normal" then all comes crashing down. Thank goodness once again for this site. Here is a place you can let loose. Yesterday was a "bed" day (a day where all I can do is stay in bed, no energy, no nothing)for me. Today I have a doc appt so I have to get up. Here I go rambling again. Please know I care and you can count on me/us. Hugs...Peace
  • Dolly

    everything falls apart when we lose a child... everything... and nothing else matters much either... I used to worry about 'getting' old... then overnight I became old from my very core to my wrinkled spotted sagging face... everything about me feels old.... tired... one step at a time-ish... or no steps... just sleep.. if I CAN sleep... and the dread and fear of having something ELSE like this to happen.. I can barely believe I had a happy life once...

  • Dolly

    so AP we do understand and wish you didn't have to understand TOO... its all just too horrible ...

  • Sandy Hendrix

    I agree, I feel like I've aged 10 years in not even 4 months. 

    Welcome AP, sorry to welcome you here... but there is a lot of love and support.  I can't sleep, I am so tired.

    I can't remember ever being happy, it's hard to imagine we will ever be happy again.  Hugs to everybody..

  • Connie K

    Yes we need to sleep and it's the hardest thing to do without help. When everything is quiet, the mind just goes to all the memories, the what-ifs, the whys. And it is so hard to function on no sleep. I usually take a lunesta which doesn't leave me with any side effects. But I don't want to have to take a sleeping pill every night.... I came down with a cold or flu yesterday and woke up early, not able to go back to sleep, tripped over the cat in the dark, spilled my glass of water and had to turn on the light to clean it up. Woke up my husband who is also sick. And i just broke down and sobbed for an hour. What a away to start the day. I just feel like  like a mess...

  • Connie K

    I know how you all feel. I have also gained 20 pumnds this past 2 years, and feel I've aged so much. I don't even want anyone to take a picture of me. On a high note, my husband won an award the other night. A Golden Reel Award for his music editing work on "Birdman" We had the photo on the "red carpet" and I just was dreading seeing that photo. It's not too bad but I cropped the hell out of it! I am so proud of my husband. the last two years it really is as if he's had an angel on is shoulder as far as the work he's had the opportunity to do. That night all I wanted to do was tell Daniel "Daddy won!" I'm sure he knows but there's nothing better than having your child proud of you. I know my husband was missing him so much. So I sent my son a text on his phone that we still keep active...

  • Sandy Hendrix

    I saw you posted that about your hubbie, Congrats!! That is super exciting!! Oh I'd love to see that pic of the 2 of you!! What milligram is the Lunesta - I didn't want sleeping pills but i'm so damn tired and I keep waking up like every two hours and most times I can't go back to sleep.  My dr. gave me 3 mil. but it's not really helping and she said don't take it more then 3 times a week, which I don't want to anyway!

    I know what you mean, it's the silliest stupid things and we just lose it.  I am the SAME way!

    I'm catching a cold today, yuck!! I was waiting for Feb. 16 for the renewal on my iPhone to get the 6, cus I had the 4 - got it yesterday and it's like - who cares! Nothing frigging matters...I hate hate hate feeling like this all the time and nobody understands but us.  Oh you texted him - I want to text Randy - I was terrified that his text of his last love you..wouldn't show on my phone but it did.  Makes me feel connected from a stupid phone.  Didn't go to work yesterday, too friggin sad, uggg! Hugs to you Connie.. way cool about your hubby!

  • Jill E

    That is so awesome about your husband. I know how much you want to tell your son. He would be so proud. I have so much I want to tell Josh. When I do talk to him I end up sobbing my head off. They say crying is good, I don't know...it solves nothing...it makes you feel like crap...and you just end up doing it again and again. Everything starts me going. One reason I just don't do the social thing with my friends.
  • Jill E

    I take Something to help me sleep, I conk out but then up every 2 hours-or sometimes awake for hours in the middle of the night.
  • Sandy Hendrix

    I wake up at night and can't sleep either and like Connie said, your mind just won't stop, usually I think of bad things, drug times, craziness...if I think of happy things with him, it hurts even more.. I went out with friends on Sunday and we actually had a really good time, just laughing and it was good.

  • Jill E

    I wish my brain could just take a rest...impossible
  • Marie

    Connie, That is so cool about your husband's award. I know that even when good things happen it is sad too. I always want to tell my son stuff about my day, and it makes me cry to know I can't...hugs!

  • Connie K

    Sandy my Lunesta is 2ml. Usually lets me sleep through the night (with only one bathroom  trip) then able to go back to sleep and wake up normally. But it seems like it's working less so yeah it's not good to take them every night. So every other day or so, I'm exhausted! Sometimes I'll try a benedryl which doesn't seem to work anymore either. I think I'm going to try walking later at night  to see if that helps. Onlyhen I am singing  or engrossed in music I can rest my mind.

  • Connie K

    Thanks for your kind words for my hubby.

  • Dolly

    I don't think I ever knew how happy I was... I didn't appreciate the happiness I had enough... I even took it for granted sometimes and gambled with it in a way... like fighting about nothing important really... being all insecure and needy when my guys were relying on me for their very LIVES and I dared to worry about ME??? I have to struggle with hating myself.. I have had this all my life... and then I get so MAD at myself because even HATING myself is all ME ME ME.... I just am so totally clueless anymore....

  • Dolly

    I LOVE that you message your son.... I talk to Brandon in bits and pieces all the time... sort of like I talk to God... I can't do the sit down long involved praying.. never could.. it always sounded so pat and dry and without passion... like I'm almost reciting it from memory ... and its sort of like that because the needs seem to go on and on and it seems like the prayers will never be answered except with 'no'... but if I don't even ASK???.... and I don't dare let myself really talk to Brandon for more than just little hellos and what are you up to? and just trying to sense him on some level when I am playing music I think he led me to.... I don't care if other people think I'm crazy anymore.. what does that mean you think?

  • Dolly

    and KUDOS to your husband Connie..... some LIGHT in the darkness.. ALWAYS feels good to hear GOOD things happening to those I have grown to love in here...

  • Sharon

    I know how you feel. My mind is spinning all of the time, then my heart starts palpitating... When I try to eat, there's a lump in my throat. I only want to eat sweets and crap. Doctor gave me Xanax, but I only take 1/2 and only at night. I'm dreading going back to work next week.
  • Dolly

    at least I'm retired and can stay home ..well that and medical appointments and food shopping ...which is too much for me already

  • Dolly

    I sound terrible... just dragging everybody down.... sorry ... some days I just seem to go off a little...

  • Jill E

    Dolly don't you dare apologize for anything. We need each other, I know that I depend on my friends here even if it is for no other reason than to vent, cry and ramble (as I do every time). With tons of love and hugs. Please feel free always to let loose here.
  • Jill E

    Sharon-all I do is eat sweets and junk. When I wake up all through the night I go on a search for anything filled with sugar. First I couldn't eat anything now only junk.
    Back doctor appointment today cried all the way there just because, nothing set me off I just could not stop. Had to stop to see my Daughter-in-law (dread) and still wondering if she is an alcoholic too. House is just trashed looks like it is worse than when my son was alive. Alcoholics tend to let things go I have now learned. The house was so bad today I don't know how she can stand it. She just went back to work last week but I have no idea what she is doing that there are a ton of plastic bags with stuff in them piled 2feet high. And their dog chewed up some of her shoes a couple of days ago and the chewed up shoes are still laying in the hall. I just don't understand so many things with her like how could she miss the visual occurrences of a person in the late stages of alcoholism, liver and kidney failure. Damnit he was turning yellow...swelling...had a drink on the side of the bed and when she woke up the glass was empty. BUT YET he still held down a great job, etc. but everything going on in his body would be impossible to not see.
  • Connie K

    Dolly Please don't ever worry about "dragging everyone down". Altho I get that too. After a certain amount of time you start expecting YOURSELF to be okay in a way and feel guilty about that!!!! I know how you feel about taking things for granted. I think of the things that made me depressed while my son was here. I lost my baby, Emily Rose, at 5 months pregnant,  when Daniel was two and I kind of never got over that and could never have another child (had 2 more miscarriages) and felt guilty that Daniel did not have a sibling. So I was always worrying about what I DIDN'T have instead of the treasure I did. I hate that about myself too...I wish so badly to right my wrongs but all I can do is struggle with trying to love myself somehow so I am not so self destructive. It's tough. Everything is tough.

  • Connie K

    Jill - I am so sorry for you and your daughter-in-law. If she is an alcoholic as well, imagine the guilt and shame she is feeling. But also, she was in a co-dependent relationship and sometimes the people are so used to the codependency they just cannot break out of it or see the seriousness of it. Can you suggest that she gets counseling? My dad died of alcoholism and we watched him over years slowly kill himself. We could not force him into treatment and my mom was not going to leave him (for many reasons). She did once when I was young because he was very violent when he drank and he had cheated on her. But they got back together and frankly her fear and all us kids fear was that he would get crazy drunk if she left him and kill her and who knows who else. He was a licensed gun dealer and we had a bunch of loaded guns in the house. So more most of our lives we walked on egg shells and witnessed horrible abuse - verbally mentally physically. It's a weird situation that people tolerate because they love the other and believe them when they say they are sorry and will change. My mom certainly WAS NOT an alcoholic. In fact I have seen her take a drink maybe 3 times in my life. She didn't drink because she saw what it does to people and she had also seen it in her dad. She did the best she could with the skills that she had but never the courage to take us and get the hell out. Back then, you didn't have intervention nor was it such a publicly discussed issue, It was shameful, morally weak, not a disease. And she didn't have the financial freedom as well. Maintain the facade that everything's okay no matter what! They are really good at that. I bet your daughter-in-law really needs professional help to sort it all out.  I know you are angry at her for not helping him and I really understand that but in the end, your son was responsible for the choices he made. This is something I am having to accept as well because my son made choices that were self destructive as well even though that is not how he passed. I often feel that if he hadn't made those choices that he wouldn't have been in that car at that time or if I had said no you can't go tonight, maybe things would have be different, or maybe they wouldn't. But we can't go back now and change it. The best thing for OURSELVES is to forgive . Not for their sake, but for yours. I have to forgive the guy driving who caused the accident. Arrogant, grossly negligent. Damn some days I hate him so much, some days I feel sorry for him if you can believe that. But I cannot harbor that hate in my heart and soul because it will only hurt me not him. I hope you can find it in your heart to start to forgive her and that she can get some help.

    My heart is with you as you go through these very difficult months. Love and prayers.

  • Jill E

    Thank you once again Connie. I am working on forgiving her but it is so tough. I don't know if Josh would have taken help, you know he would have fought it tooth and nail if he did it at all. He was so proud and stubborn. He had so many friends that would have helped him but that would have shown weakness. I just wish so badly I could have had a chance to try. You know a mom is supposed to be able to fix things. I would not have been in total shock that day in the emergency room. So many questions, no answers. Riddled by guilt, I saw some clues as i look back but was brushed off or since I had no idea I never connected the things to any real problem. I hope to forgive her. My son loved her and that what I have to remember that. He used to always be worried he would lose her. He never mentioned that it was him that Sarah and I would lose.
  • Dolly

    I can't speak for your daughter-in-law but with my cousin ... his wife finally left him to get him to quit... which he did for awhile.. maybe he had still been on the wagon when he crashed his car.. maybe after all the effort it took him to quit drinking he fell asleep and crashed anyway... its so sad and so hard to understand but I know my cousin's wife loved him and did her best to get him to stop drinking .. and he STILL died.. so I just don't know what we can do any of us to stop these things from happening... but I know its tempting to look for things that might have changed things... I do it all the time.. and it never really helps though.. I just end up being mad or sad or both...

  • Maureen

    About forgiveness....I want to one day find myself in a place of forgiveness. I blame myself, but mostly my son's father. Even if I put aside all the awefullness that he put my children through when they were kids and after we separated, in the end he enabled my son. I would talk to him and try to reason with him and he would do things like give him money or pay off his drug dealers. I keep telling myself that he must feel terrible now and for a moment I can sympathize with him, but then I just get so angry. I went to counselling and learned about his addiction and he refused to listen to any advice I might have. He would call me upset anout Caleb stealing from him or getting into trouble with the law and the next day, he's giving Caleb's drug dealer $500. What the hell?!
    I'm having a very rough day. I still haven't seen the medical examiners report because it takes months for the toxicology report apparently, so it was assumed by all that an overdose killed him because of how he was found and all the drugs that were found with him, but there were also marks on his neck which matched his belt. I'm going crazy. I just want to know for sure. I'm all over the place today.
  • Jill E

    Oh Maureen, words just cannot express how much I am feeling for you right now. I understand how feelings can be so mixed up and confused. Your mind bounces around every which way. As if we as parents don't have enough to deal with the tremendous sense of grief we also have all these other factors running through our minds. It is so hard to even think straight. I keep trying to put the blame on my son because that is what everyone one tells me and my logical part of my brain says that because he made the choice. As a mother I am looking everywhere else I can think of to put the blame on someone or something else. My son could never make the choice regarding something that would take him away from me. Then I try to look at it as a disease. I was raised by functioning alcoholic's and he knew that and I reminded him about it. So then it was my fault because it was a gene that was passed down. I keep looking for answers where there are none to be found.